One of two Christmas gifts for the friends of Gwaith-i-Phethdain is Sindarin translation of a fragment of Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth or ‘The Debate of. That is not the voice that the Wise hear out of the darkness and from beyond it. Nay, lord, the Wise among Men say: “We were not made. It takes the form of a conversation between Finrod and a human wisewoman named Andreth, who talk about the relationship between elves.
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In Note andreh, for instance, about half a page, Tolkien discusses the nature of Desire in the Elvish religion and in Note 7, which is a page and a quarter, he talks about the Elvish teaching about the Apocalypse of Arda. Then pity thou wouldst have had in every hour, pity inescapable.
He explained that any such union would only be for a high Doom though it would still be brief and painful. What may be was little comfort for the time they were in. She called it then an imposition placed upon them and not a gift, and if such were their nature from the beginning, then the chain was imposed by him that should not be spoken of. They believe Morgoth and make him their ruler; he becomes ever more tyrannical and corrupting until finally some of the men simply flee and it is these men that come across the mountains in the Quenta Silmarillion and make their home in Beleriand.
Do you already have an account? To me the difference seems like that between one who visits a strange country, and abides there a while but need notand one who has lived in that land always and must.
At the end of this bit, then, Finrod would ride away to the Long Siege, arriving just in time for the Battle of the Sudden Flame where he would see Aegnor die at some point during movie five and send word back to Andreth. This work is dated to the late s, and it was likely completed in Leave a Reply Cancel reply Enter your comment here He continued that for the Elda much of life dwells in their memory. He pauses in his speech when he notices that Andreth has broken down into tears.
Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth.
This also contains one of the best — albeit almost unknown — love stories that Tolkien wrote, being the only instance where an Elf man Aegnor and a Human woman Andreth fell in love, with poignant circumstances and results.
I have not found anything substantially “new” in the other volumes but have them all, please correct me if I’m wrong! The fundamental philosophical discussion of destiny, nature, and experience between Men and Elves grows in intensity and bitterness on Andreth’s partfor a reason known only to the speakers, which was not revealed to the audience until the end.
However, all of this was referred to the Tale of Adanel. As if it is not enough that the conversation has dealt already with the meaning of death, what lies after death, the nature of humanity and the nature of faith in God, the conversation now expands to take in as well the nature and meaning of love and sacrifice.
Nay, death is but the name that we give to something that he has tainted, and it sounds therefore evil; but untainted its name would be good? Our Date for his Birth is off, but that’s not why. Hannah May 6, at 1: Mith — original artwork used in design by John Howe and Ted Nasmith. Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth. Jan 10, Messages: Are we in truth the children of God?
Andreth then sees the King, Eru, as too far away from his kingdom who left it to the wars of princes.
I’ve known the fact that his traditional date of birth was not exact from many years now Volumes 10 – 12 have tons of awesome stuff like this in it. Only rumour remained that they once fell under the domination of the Enemy and that some repented of it. Finrod explained that the fates of Men and Quendi were too different, and those who join across this divide find more sorrow than joy.
Then he asked her, since she did not just mean that Men are diminished and die so soon compared to the Eldar because Arda is marred, if there had been some particular strike against her people by the Enemy. Yet among my people, from Wise unto Wise out of the darkness comes the voice saying that Men are not now as they were, nor as their true nature was in the beginning The conclusions they come to concern the role of Men beyond Arda and even the Second Music though not explicitly referred to.
Tolkien has fashioned a complete religion for his Elves and the eleven notes that go with the Commentary are fascinating reading. Likewise, the arguments put forth by Finrod and Andreth in this story also have tremendous emotional weight, serving to reveal their characters and to resonate quite deeply in my heart as I read.
Your Valar do not trouble us either with care or with instruction.
Finrod speaks to her then of the subject that has been underlying every line of this athabeth, though we did not know it: Whence them comes this memory that ye have with you, even before ye began to learn?
In this case, the Tale of Adanel is similar to many other tales of such a kind, not only to the Christian one i.
Their union would end in pity, pity every hour, for the rest of her life. I have conversed with abdreth Valar who were present at the making of the Music ere the being of the World began.
Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth
He took her hand in the light of the fire. But would you wish that Elves and Men had never met?
I would not have hobbled as a hag after his bright feet, when I could no longer run beside him. This finrkd moment with him would be very great, I think.
Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth – Tolkien Gateway
Andreth protested au end was always painful, for Men, so it was of little consequence. Among the Atani, as you call us, or the Seekers as we say: Sole masters of yourselves within Arda, under the hand of the Aturabeth.
Adam and most names listed in Genesis 5 lived to over though, all lived to over The 2nd and 3rd ages where not originally part of Tolkien’s plan at all, originally his Legenderium simply ended with the defeat of Morgoth.
Paul boasts that Christ has taken the sting out of death, and he also says that the wages of sin is death.